This episode we’re joined by two two top CakePHPers Jose Diaz-Gonzalez and Bryan Crowe. Ben is AWOL, Phil is insanely jet-lagged and has no idea what he is talking about. Our awesome guests try their best to carry Phil through the show, where we discuss exciting new stuff happening with CakePHP, and what we think of a few current RFCs being discussed in PHP land. We also talk a bit about Monga, a League package which Bryan has now assumed the role of project lead. It took a while to get this one out, but the next recording will be December 28th and it’s going to be a Christmas mash-up with /dev/hell. Now that Phil has stopped being homeless we’re going to get more regular, and drastically improve the quality of this podcast. Do not miss out!